Lamberhurst, Groombridge, Battle, Kent UK – Waller Starting line From Nottingham

Lamberhurst – The starting ground.

WALLER START South

From this map we get an idea of how the family links up.  Lamberhurst and Groombridge were the very start of the Southern Waller’s.

Lamberhurst was owned by Thomas Waller, whom married Catherine Clifford, and he also owned Groombridge.  Battle, on the south coast was where Battle Abbey is – and from way up the line we have a Monk William Waller,  abt C1416,  Thomas’s Great Grandson.  From here comes the Suffolk line, through Thomas’s Son’s,  son,  John Waller whom married Maud Darell.

Thomas’s son married Christina Chalfunt, they had two sons:-  Both whom married Sister’s.

John married Margaret Lansdall and had Sherrif Richard Waller ect and came down the Groombridge and Lamberhurst way – and  Thomas married Alison Lansdall and also had a thomas and John.  John married Maude Darell and stayed in the Suffolk area, hence the Suffolk line – Thomas married Katherine Champaigne ( we beleive) and they stayed in the Hastings, Battle area. In Katherine’s Will she had three sons and a daughter.  Her daughter Catherine was married to a Richard Mawefield (Moorfield) when her mother died and then went onto marry a Thomas Pope.   William was a monk, Ralph and John waller, whom I am stuck on.  I have come across a John waller  abt ( assumed) 1350 whom married a Deonsie Herbert-Finch, in Hastings area. Could this be the John that married Deonise Herbert Finch?  I know dates are all over the place and not very correct!  Studying more it possibly could be! The future will tell!

Katherine Waller’s Will 

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Map showing my research areas and my links.

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The Red line shows my husband’s family and from how they came down to Havant.  They were at Elsted, Rogate, Iping, Midhurst upto Horsham.

The Blue Line shows the Olde stoke Charity Link –  We know that Richard Waller’s son married into the Hamptons and consequently became Lord of Olde Stoke…

I have linked it to Winchester, Southampton, Fareham, Gosport, Portsmouth, Petersfield, Godalming and upwards.  Interestingly, the red line and blue lines cross…  IF,  I joined the Orange Line from Lamberhurst to Olde Stoke – the lines also would cross.. Because, Sir Richard’s son married into the Hampton family – and he lived in Groombridge for a while.  The Waller’s were also Land owners and had lands from Olde Stoke, right across to Waterlooville, Catherington and Horndean area…   He was also Sherrif and did much work across the South..

The Orange Line shows the Groombridge, Lamberhurst, then the links to Tenterden, Bethersden, Rye, Battle and Winchelsea. To those that dont know Winchelsea, in that era was a huge sink port – a very busy port for ships goods ect.

From what I show here,  we can see there are many links to be found. This also proves that the family in the south do come together at some point – how and where is yet to be determined.  As families grew and moved to other areas for work this is what happened. Also as we all know the main Waller Branch lost many Homes and lands in due course over time – debts, over spending and heirs selling it off!

In later blogs I shall break all these down – but i wanted to show the research links thus far on the map – and too be honest this is helping me, far more than I realised!

My Waller Research from Thomas Waller and Catherine Clifford

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Olde Stoke Charity, Winchester, UK

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This line of Waller’s is a very interesting link to the ‘main line!’  I found them totally by mistake – on researching the Waller family tree.  This family is so big and all over the place as I have mentioned before!  What tickles me is that my husband was born in Havant in Hampshire and for generations the family has lived and worked within this part of England!  They never knew of the Winchester Link!  We also were terribly shocked to know that this part of the family line were just up the road and to top that off his son lives in Winchester!  We were just around the corner so to speak and have never seen this part of the family line or even visited the place!  Then also I find out that this line of ‘Waller’s’ owned land right up to Rowlands Castle, including Wecock farm, Clanfield, Denmead as well as Catherington up to as far and beyond as Petersfield!

They were great land owners of the time as we know – This part of the Waller’s descend from Sherrif Richard Waller 1395 and his father John Waller 1363 and Margaret Lansdall, ( the other brother married the sister, Alison Lansdall – Thomas Waller 1367 and this is the Suffolk Line!)

Sherrif Richard Waller 1395, Heir of John Waller 1363,  married Margaret Gulby 1402 and they had several children – they had three sons and one daughter.

Richard waller 1430, the 1st son married Alice Brudenell Died 1481, they had three children John, William and Alice.   John Waller 1460 married Joan De Hampton 1460 and she was heir to the Olde Stoke Charity estates.  She died before John and consequently the lands went to him! So, he became Lord of Olde Stoke Charity! and the line descends from him!

John Waller, Will!

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Basically, this line is now obselete and long long gone, however, much remains in the way of historical reference, even down to how the lands were lost, or past over!  We know that a grand son was left the titled lands and as he was so young and in-experienced he frittered it all away! Having to pay off his debts and dying – the lands went on to others!

In May this year 2017 we are going to visit this place and see for ourselves, the tomb of Waller and Hampton which is in the St Mary’s Church, Olde Stoke Charity and looks very splendid indeed.  The ‘Hampton’ manor house is long gone having been demolished in C1705.  Only the church now stands and is of Norman Build!

Here is a picture of the Waller Tomb part thereof – showing the arms of Waller, Lansdall and Hampton.  Through out this church there are many more descriptions of the surrounding family and some other Waller arms!

St Mary’s Church, Old Stoke Charity, Winchester

‘The Waller and Hampton Tomb’

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 Left – Waller- Lansdall Quarted –  Center-  Waller- Lansdall, impaled Hampton – Last Hampton.

For one, what is astonishing me is that ‘Lansdall’ was John’s, Great Grandfathers’ John Waller 1363,  wife, Margaret Lansdell 1375 – Now you ask what is astonishing about this?  Well I question why his great grand son is using these arms/shield?  Below i attach the visitation booklet for this family and the arms –  see the link to old stoke? and also the Waller’s ascendents! Which leads me into the Brudenell’s – This family is very sparse on our tree for information – I am waiting to hear from the Brudnell family about any information I can get on this Alice Brudenell!

https://archive.org/stream/PedigreesFromTheVisitationOfHampshireMadeByThomasBenolt/PedigreesFromTheVisitstionOfHampshire_v64_286pgs#page/n151/mode/2up/search/waller

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Until  we visit here and have a good look about and buy ourselves the church booklet – this will have to remain a very interesting question!

There is also another Waller sheild here depicting a Boar on the top!   What is this about? We will have to wait and see in May 2017.

I have noticed from Gleaned information that the Waller Sheild we all have – with out the estcrucheon added to it just, the shield –

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that there are many variations of it!  SO please whilst researching this family make sure you are going down the correct line!

The waller shield with the Green leaves is IRELAND and the irish link,

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These arms or sheild are for the WARREN WALLER’s – warren used his grandmothers waller link and had these arms done.  This is a totally different line from our Waller’s and much research is going on for it. The  Waller, Tipperary Line.

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This is the GERMAN waller sheild

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The United States of American Waller Line

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This is just ‘some’ of what I have come across during my research of the Waller Line!

SO be careful which one you look for.  We are ‘WALLER’  0abb0bde-2375-42b9-a63e-84cd84aa21e4

 

Addition -:   I put these up here because many many trees I have come across are confusing and mixing up lines of Waller’s – I was guilty of it myself in the beginning.  This family is so big that these things can happen – My family tree uptil this point is as close as I can get it researching the way I have –  The Waller’s owned such lands and areas, sons of these ascendants moved to different areas due to marriage or inheriting land or the jobs they held.  We have such a job sorting this all out – to this date on ancestry I have 32 trees running – of the different lines of Waller’s – as they are being sorted out and then adding to my main tree after verification.  It has been a lot of hard work and many hours of reading and looking to get this far – and I hope my blog will be interesting to those who are researching this line.  The main mix up is the Bassingbourne Warren Wallers – i have said it before that as the years came down the warren wallers dropped the warren and became known as just waller – by the time they reached London!  On top of this, there were Waller’s themselves in London and the surrounding area, and then we have the Greenwich Waller’s as well!  This moves into Suffolk – which I undestand Suffolk is the line also descending from our Waller’s of Nottingham!   The Greenwich Waller’s is another Kettle of fish altogether, and we have one of these marrying our Kent waller – and whom was the armourer for Henry VIII.   So you can see just by these few words how the family is being mixed up altogether and people thinking they have the correct lines.  TOO many Waller’s out there for sure!

The sad thing about this Old Stoke Charity line – is that when you look at the history and the family as a unit – you see in those turbulent times that cousin against cousin put a lot of strain upon our Family.  William Waller the Parlimentarian was  a big part of this and there are so many sad stories of which I shall blog about as I go.  Again through History alot was to do with religion and Royality – we had such hard fighting people in our family and they died heroes for their cause! Very interesting to piece it altogther!

After our visit in May this year I shall update this section of the blog with what I have found out about te Olde Stoke Charity Line..  so please watch this space!

BRANCHES -Nottinghampshire

Goodness me there are a lot of branches to deal with in this family of ours!  I have been away from blogging for a long while – as I have been trying to break the hold  on my husbands tree!  Without spending too much money on certificates and the like, it is going to be rather difficult.  On this long journey I am anticipating a lot of errors.  I have found many within the trees as is!

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There are literally lots of branches from the same family – the ones on here I have looked into and I am still working on. Later  on in the blog we will include the  Irish waller’s, our USA cousins and how they got there – and see if anymore links pop up along the way.

As we know all Waller’s can link to Alured at the top of the tree –  BUT, I here you ask how is this and where does he come from?

Gleaned from land records and the doomesday records it is suggested that Alured De Valer came from Normandy in France.  It is a HUGE task to find records Post C1700 so anything before C1700 is gleaned from reading historical records, books and any online history you can find.  I am starting at the top in Nottinghamshire.

We have all, well most of us, have seen the films and plays, read books and sat through history lessons in school, on the wars and civil wars that built europe as we know it today. These things tell us that Kings were against Kings and warring in feilds and glens to build what we know today as the Royal Family.  In the early years there were many kings and each one was head of what we know as counties in our country. As was normal that was not enough and wars broke out between counties and kings were over thrown and in time we were left with one.  Or so we thought.

As we know with the history of the Battle of Hastings, the normans were brought in – and we had many knights here from continental Europe.  This was a period of chivalry and everyone wanted to please the King.  Now our Knights were supposedley, brought in from Normandy, after being asked to come and help with the warring times of our country, so I have read – but I have found out recently that they had lands in Rochelle, france and were alliegance to the then french King.  Because of the ‘chivalry’ of the time, Knights would go where they were needed and also for what they might possibly get out of it! As they had there own lands to build to pass down to family as they did in those times.  Beware for the Knight who helps a king! The poor chaps did not know what was going to hit them!  In those times the kIng would give lands, and homes and estates to those who swore allegience to him – but woe betide those who were against him for any reason or else they would lose everything they were given and hung out to dry – Literally in some cases!

De Valer in latin stands for ‘In the Valley’ or ‘of the valley’.  In those times, Latin was the spoken word. Priests wrote up the beautiful papers we see today on the Television or in churches and cathedrals and also in Museums and libraries.  Beautiful kept manuscripts, of those, that none like me could possibly understand in a million years, so we rely on what we are told they say.  Specialists in this field, Historians whom are trained,  decipher the word as they understand the latin writing. Alas we were not taught latin in our years and it is hard to read.  What we do know is that in the latin alphabet there was no’W’ as we know it.  An ‘f’ was used as a ‘s’ and all sorts of interesting things we can see and here about.

Recently, I have learned that the spelling of our family name may also be linked with ‘Valler’ now, in suggesting this I am opening a huge can of worms, which I understand.  I know that with geneaolgy this is hard thing to prove.  However, In the British history online there are many CLOSED papers , British History online

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the Calendar rolls of Edward I are locked to view. I personally can not afford the premium just yet, but intime I shall subscribe!   There are many in there and there are many references to Valer, Wallur, vallur, valer and waller itself. When you look at the dates and the places – they are within our family history line.  In time I hope to crack this one and open up this can of worms.  There is a discrepencancy that David le Wallur – Master of arms – is not related or could be related!   In doing much reading in the history I am begininng to think this family are all as one!  This would help to close the huge gap we have in the top of the line and open many more doors.

ALURED DE VALER (WALUR)

We start with this name – many say he is mentioned in the doomesday book and to this day i have found nothing to support this.  It is said he is on the Battle Abbey Roll and this has been proven to be very fictonal to say the least.  Of the 639 names on this roll only 6 have been verfied as actual people whom served with the conqueror.

As I have suggested above there is a Valleur/valor – but by no accounts can we use this list of names because they have since found they had been added many hundreds of years later.  Which for us is a huge shame.  To be quite blunt – even on the Bayeaux Tapestry there is no Waller arms, or anything that you could possibly say resembles it! Also, we must remember this was made many years after the fact!  I am not for one minute suggesting they didnt fight with the Conquerer, there is just no valid proof at this time to verify it.

I have found an old writing which proves Alured was in Nottinghampshire during this time and married to Adelina de Hockerton.  The Hockerton’s of Hockerton were quite a  land holding family.  Adlina brought with her  a marriage dowry,  the land in Newerk where they lived and Alured, it is suggested could do nothing without permission from the Hockerton family – as they say the deed is written in such a way that it sounds like this.  They lived just outside in Newark on Trent, to be precise.   We have some proof of Alured his son John and Alured’s wife Adelina de Hockerton.  It is suggested that her father was Gumbert and her mother was Basilla of Hockerton. Bassila is mentioned in the deed.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=U5RJAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA106&lpg=PA106&dq=alured+de+walur&source=bl&ots=9rPyq-eb7v&sig=0xW10fswBqH3gka7iLiPCPWKYMM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YKccU_-nA86O7QbvpoDoCA&ved=0CFgQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=alured%20de%20walur&f=false

About Hockerton- very interesting read:-

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/thoroton-notts/vol3/pp120-127

Alfred De Valer C1010  (of Normandy we beleive)

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Alured DeValur  C1040-1083

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ALURED De VALUR – ADELINA DeHOCKERTON

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JOHN DE VALUR

I also found evidence sourced by someone in the Nottinghampshire archives that there are grants held there on the following..

Documents in the Nottinghamshire Archives concerning these grants mention Alured le Walur, his wife Adelina, sons John and Milo, grandson Henry (son of John) and granddaughters Adelicia and Margaret (daughters of Milo). [http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/default.aspx]

Many thanks to Janet and Robert Wolfe Genealogy:-

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Summaries of Documents in the Nottinghamshire Archives:
DD/SR/102/13 nd [c 1146 – 1166]
Deed of the Chapter of Suella [Southwell] witnessing the grant by Aluredus le Walur to the fraternity of Rufordia of 2 bovates of land in Hocretunia etc in return for 8s 0d and an annual rent of 6s 0d

DD/SR/102/33 1176 – 1184
Confirmation by William de Bella Aqua in return for 30 lambs of an agreement made between the monks of Rufford and Adeline wife of Aluredus le Walur de Neuwerc and Milo her son concerning 2 bovates of land in his fee in Hocertun

DD/SR/102/152 1183
Indenture of Agreement between the monks of Ruford’ and John son of Alured le Walur by which John demises 14 acres of arable land in Hocerton’ to the monks for 10 years in return for a total rent paid by the monks of 21s 4d.

DD/SR/102/7 nd [c 1180 – 1200]
Exchange and grant by which John le Walur de Hocretona gives the monks of Ruford a coulter in Hocetonia and three acres of another coulter which comprises five in all, and receives in exchange for 15 acres lying east of a wood between Wudehus and Hocet’; and John further gives the remaining two acres from the five in his second coulter in return for an annual rent of 4d

DD/SR/102/24 nd [c 1210 – 1220]
Confirmation by Henry le Walur de Hokuton to the monks of Rufford of a coulter in Hokuton

DD/SR/102/46 nd [c 1200 – 1227]
Confirmation by Henry le Walur de Hokerton son of John le Walur to the monks of Rufford of the exchange made between the monks and John his father relating to lands in Hokerton; moreover he releases a rent of 4d per annum paid by the monks on part of the land concerned

DD/SR/208/66 nd [c 1210 – 1220]
Confirmation of Grant
Hen le Walur of Hockerton to monks of Rufford of cultivation granted by John le Walur in Hockerton

DD/SR/102/39 1212 – 1213
Release by Adelicia and Margaret daughters of Mylo le Walur widows, to the monks of Rufford of an annual rent of 5s 0d paid by the monks on 2 bovates of land etc in Hokerton

DD/SR/102/51 1212 – 1213
Grant by Adelicia and Margaret daughters of Milo le Walur to the monks of Rufford of two bovates of land etc in Hokertona at an annual rent of 5s 0d

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From this we now know that Alured had other members there and another two sons and that Milo’s daughters had married as they were both widows – to whom we dont know! :-

ALURED De VALUR – ADELINA DeHOCKERTON

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ROBERT DE VALUR                        JOHN DE VALUR = ?                       MILO De Valur

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                                                                          Henry De Valur  =  ?             Adelicia de valur     Margaret De Valur

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When we look at the spelling in this form we can see where all the controversy lies! When we trade the ‘V’ for the newly written’W’ (which remember was two’v’s’ put together to form the new letter – we have the ‘W’. So Alured De Valer becomes ‘Walur’ –  When these old papers are transcribed by our clever historians who can read the latin, it becomes more understandable – however, in saying this there is also the added problem of the different variants of the name and how it was spelled in the beginning. In a few peice’s there are four different spellings of the ‘one’ name – who is the same person!  This is where our problems lie.

Continued from above: –

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Vilhelm(William) De Valur  

(This name comes up in the Calendar rolls)

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Walter de Valur             Agatha de VAlur             Henry De Valer C1241 = Alicia De Mortimer

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John De Valer                           Richard De Valur                            Thomas De Valur   C1272-C1360

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                                                                                       This Thomas is where we can start as he was the one whom it is written, inherited Lamberhurst estate.  we are not sure with whom he married at the time yet!  This Thomas was also Known as Waller!  He held Lamberhust in Kent and this is where the family grows away from Nottinghamshire in the North of England  towards Kent in the South Coast of England – Quite a move one would say!  I believe tha Walter De valur sold the Nottinghampshire estates and after many years of holding the Wallers had moved on!

To finish on what I have at the moment in Nottinghampshire,  I have just found some interesting information that a William le Wallier was a templar knight and is in the Templar files – ‘The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of William Waliere, which was dated 1185, in the “Records of the Templars in England in the 12th Century, Kent”,

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Valler#ixzz422w98Olk

I have also found that a ‘David Le wallur’  – ”David de Waller, master of the rolls to King Edward III for thirty years”,  as well as some other names that have turned up – Adam, Richard to name but two!

For now Nottinghampshire runs dry for gleaning and we continue on In ‘KENT’ with Thomas de Waller. As he landed the Lamberhurst estate!

SUMMING UP!

In summing up the gleaning of historical papers and books and also thanks to others who have managed to get hold of these papers and books..  We can safely say our Family history started in England in Nottinghampshire. We were medeieval Knights of the realm and these Knights worked hard for their lands most often with their lives!  We can safely say that ‘Valur’ was our name and it changed over time with the learning of writings.  There is still much to proove and find on this name – and whence they came!  Normandy appears to be the  suggested place where the original family lived their lives. I am not a french reader by all accounts, I can make out some words but not many –  when I can get the writings transcribed in English I shall share them here!   We know that there were many Knights whom came and fought the wars here – and we know they were paid well with lands and estates.  This is where we get most of our information from for these early times.  The more we find, the more truthful answers we get!

I know from reading that the de SAINT VALERY’s were very good freinds of William the Conqueror – and this is how he rallied help from France and its Knights – again chivalry was very rife during these times. ‘Dieppe was not on the map in those times as a port, so  Saint Valery was the area they had moored up – and the bad weather in the english channel had held up nigh on a 1000 ships, holding knights and horses – and whilst waiting there, William and his army – were fed and watered by the Saint Valery people! ‘  “quoted from a french website” As deeds and latin is transcribed hopefully we will learn more of the Knights of Nottinghampshire – our De Valur’s.  It turns out the De valery  family were cousins of the Conqueror and this is how he managed to raise such an army to take out Harold!

Questions remain in Nottinghampshire – Do we dare even suggest our family were knights?  Do we suggest that they fought with the Conqueror?  How do we know our family were from Normandy?  Who Knows only time will tell!

In closing this Nottinghampshire research blog, I feel that yes we have some answers to our questions of the Nottinghampshire Line.  I also feel that the first proper link we have is from the son born in Nottinghampshire ‘Thomas’ who landed Lamberhurst.  He is much written about and for me the line begins here!  Again, before C1700 researching is very hard, however, Nottinghampshire is the begining of a long history and from here we move  a long road on to the ‘Lamberhurst’ line in Kent,  on the South Coast of England!

Lamberhurst Line is the next Blog!  Join me to find out more on this very interesting line.

Wallers of Cuckfield and Hampshire UK

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West Sussex and East Sussex

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Hampshire is just to the left Of Sussex on the South Coast of UK

My Husband’s ‘Waller’ family are from the South Coast of the UK –  mainly originating from West Sussex and beyond up through Kent.  Now, the ‘Waller’ family are a very large worldwide family indeed.  It is said that ALL the ‘Waller’s’  around the world can make claim to Alured De Valur in C1010.  This is huge to say the least.  In saying this I must suggest to you that you MUST research this for yourself.  Make sure you double-check lines consistently – if you do not you will lose the line and cross into others.  I have checked the Cuckfeild Parish records – that are available – checked baptisms and births and marriages and deaths. Not all of them are available and some are destroyed now – Somewhere someone will have something you can look at –  I use Ancestry.co.uk and I check for wills, or apprenticeships where available. I also use the internet – this is my means of reading – but you must try as I must to get to the records office where possible to ascertain your findings are correct.

You will find that the family is linked to Ireland as well – These are through marriage – when a son used his mother’s surname and became known as ‘Wathen -Waller’.  There a lot of readings to be found online –  and I would seriously suggest you do so if you are serious about getting it right.

I, like others got carried away because of the date line attainable – and I tell you now if you do this – be very sure you are right! it is so easy to be carried away by someone elses tree info – and it really needs to be checked as you go .  we have some very interesting people to come across and it opens a new avenue into geneaology.

More to follow soon!

De Valer Research

 

I have been busy researching more into this family and have found a link to the Knight Templar’s.  Now at first I thought no no no… This just can’t be right.  Also I found a site that showed Knights tombs that a chap had put up on the internet and sure enough the writings I found did say about this knight and his wife and where he lived.  On the internet there is an awful lot of different research to be found.

Working so far back in history I have to be-careful what I read and how I use it, because so much is not confirmed.  However, when you start to read writings that have been translated, and start to understand how it all works the you can start to put the puzzle together.

We all know that the Waller family worldwide is linked back together to one family.  We also know that make changes happened.  I must add that in saying this families in the olden days had NO second name as some people believe.  They were taken from Villages or towns from where they lived.  It is only in the Norman times that this started to change.

Interestingly, the De Valers, lived in a village that was a Valley… hence the name DeValer ‘ of the Valley’.  I can here people saying ok then why so many different variations in the spelling?  Well this is quite easily answered as not many people wrote in those days.  Basically through research I find that the Monks, Priest’s etc were the only ones that could wrote or tried to write. This in turn changed over time as Royalty and Hierarchy also learned to write, but the normal everyday person was very limited.  Also these people ALL wrote differently.  So spelling mistakes were very common and hence the different variations.  De Valer was also spelled, de Valeur, De Vallier, De Viler.  Now De Viler was also used in  another family the De Villiers.  So Careful tracking has to be used to make sure it is the correct family.

In the Battle Abbey Roll  http://archive.org/stream/battleabbeyrollw03battuoft#page/238/mode/2up  On Page 238 we will find the following:

‘Michael De Valer, Nicholas De Valer and Ralph Waler. – Nicholas De Valer was granted land at Down-Amney in 1271 by  Edmund Crouchback, Earl of Lancaster. ‘

 

After researching the place and the name I turned up all of this:-

http://www.britainexpress.com/counties/glouces/churches/Down-Ampney.htm

This tells us that this person did exist and had a wife and was a Knight.

Here is a link the Website of ; The Medieval Combat Society’ and a whole lot of photographs that have been taken of knights and Nicholas De Valer is in there plus many many others.

http://www.themcs.org/armour/14th%20century%20armour.htm

In the Ancestry line there are generations missing.  Is this the link to that?  Are these the Missing De Valers?  Or are the names written differently else where?

Waller Family Genealogy and where it all Started with the ‘De Valer’s’

The Waller family in the UK and subsequently around the world can ALL apparently link themselves to the ‘De Valer’s’  from France back in the Norman Times. I started researching this family as it is my husband’s and I wanted it all on my family tree.  Those of you whom are familiar with my other blog ‘St.John Family Genealogy’ will see that this is another part that I am researching.
When I started this it was all just for a family tree and as with the St.Johns it has lead me now into genealogy as I am beyond the 1800’s and now into Norman Times.
How one asks can you go back that far?  Well it all started with Ancestry.co.uk and with that you get hints – and from the hints I learned that there is more to this family than originally meets the eye! Interesting thought! So I followed my instincts and searched on the internet to find out more and there is is a lot more..  and that is just on the internet!!  I have yet too go to the library and too follow all this up and when I do no doubt I am going to find out more and more.
So where does it all start?  Well,  it actually starts for us in Havant, Hampshire UK.  In the research stage of the family line it lead me to Sussex and Kent and way beyond this country of ours.  The Waller’s reach USA, Europe where some say they actually originate from – to the the furthest part,  Australia.  The ‘Waller’s are a HUGE family – all inter connected somewhere.  There is peerage, Royality and much much more to search out and discover.
At school history was NOT my forte and I can tell you this now I was absolutely board stiff with it – books and more books and not understanding a lot of it –  way over my head.  I look back now and I understand why I didnt like it!  It was text book written..  follow this and do that !  The teacher we had was very boring with his delivery and subsequently I got bored.  As I got older I realised that to know something is too read it or to watch a film on the tv.  There are lots of great films out there that some may think have no bearing on family research but to be honest they do.  Alexandra the Great – King Henry VIII and his wives, El Cid, Spartacus, Blood King, William the Conqueror and so on and so forth.  Then now a days and for the last ehhhum years I have watched Time Team – their exploits their delving into history and finding facts and showing the interesting things you can find out.  Suddenly my historical interest was seeing things in a very different way – The paperwork, certificates, the Illuminations, the bible, Old masters paintings, the Sistine Chapel.  Then there is visits to castles and museums, palaces, old great houses and parks. History is too be valued and now I understand why!  Without it we would not be whom we are today or would we?
This where I start from –  Questions to be answered –  and why are we like we are today?  Is it their fault we are an ordinary everyday working class family?  What made these changes? Why did families lose peerages and mansions and castles? How did some Waller’s end up farming and then today some being everyday people doing a worth while job and not having any clue where they come from?
The Waller family UK is where I start from and with thanks to all those people whom have taken the time to put up information on the internet and sharing with all of us I can now research this very interesting, historical family.